"JMKarstetter" (jmkarstetter)
04/28/2020 at 22:11 • Filed to: None
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"JMKarstetter" (jmkarstetter)
04/28/2020 at 22:11 • Filed to: None | 1
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It seems we have a few people that are folding that have mentioned some issues with their machines running hot and having issues with. I’d like to try and see if I can help with that.
Here is what I am thinking, post or upload a few photos of your system from the front, back, top (if there is cooling there) and inside of the case, make sure I can see any fans or radiators that are in there.
Hopefully myself or other computer savvy folks on here can help some of you out, this will help your point production and help extend the life of your system.
Attached photo is the case I am running right now, I’ll be changing soon though. It’s an old case, bought it from Salvation Army for cheap and it was NIB or close, figured I would try it out for fun.
Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing.
> JMKarstetter
04/28/2020 at 22:42 |
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I love that case. I like to have as many 5.25" bays as possible in contrast to today’s modern RGB aesthetic. My Cooler Master Sniper has 5 and is OK, but more bays the better. Let me know if you ever decide to part with it.
If I had the money I’d be running a Lian Li D600:
I have a thrift store find sitting around in the basement, an HP Voodoo Blackbird 002. Nice, but HEAVY, case, but not enough 5.25" bays for me. That and I do air cooling and didn’t want to mess with the liquid cooling stuff in that case.
facw
> JMKarstetter
04/28/2020 at 22:46 |
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My HTPC was overheating when overclocked and folding. I’m sufficiently savvy that this wasn’t a shock:
I can’t say I’m surprised to learn that my old i5-2500k can’t stay stable at 4.5GHz with a passively cooled CPU heatsink :)
I did wonder if something to block airflow between the that rear vent and the side fans might get enough airflow over it to make it work, but really it’s not worth the trouble, stock clocks are more than enough for that machine.
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JMKarstetter
> Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing.
04/28/2020 at 22:50 |
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I actually have no 5.25" drives in the case at all, the only thing I have is a dual USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 with audio and mic jacks and an SSD holder in the top bay, the rest are unused. I’ll let you you know when I get my new case. This one is super nice and is awesome for either air cooling or water cooling, it actually has special features for water cooling and is “water cooling ready”. It’s also mostly aluminum and super nice to work in.
https://bjorn3d.com/2007/07/tagan-a-black-pearl/
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Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing.
> JMKarstetter
04/28/2020 at 23:01 |
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Thanks. I appreciate you keeping me in mind when you upgrade. One thing I like to use is a fan- cooled drive bay that takes up two bays but holds either 3 3.5" drives or 4 2.5" drives (I’m all SSD these days, but four of them are just in a rack in the bottom of the case) . I have two, but only one is installed because I’m out of space . Other bays include a SATA dock that I can toss a bare drive into, a USB hub/memory card reader and an optical drive.
Grindintosecond
> JMKarstetter
04/28/2020 at 23:19 |
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Thank you JMK! A discussion needs to take place!
Of note here, as mentioned, is heat. If we think of server environments, they are built for 100% work loads at all times, which is why they are not quiet. They are brute force. Crazy rpm fans in short rack spaces, etc. They also have dedicated air conditioning passages and return fans. I ran into adding a 2070 super in place of a 1070 and then heat soaked everything else within, making my Aio cooler fans spin up considerably to compensate cooling the idle cpu.....the noise of everything was silly. Just to compensate. Unless you want to make the home sound like a tornado, you must overplan the cooling solution. get a system with twice the capacity as your output, so when it runs at 100%, the cooling is only at 50-75 and quiet. A jet engine idles at 60% rpm making little power....its that last 20% where all the real force comes on, and the noise. same with fans.
Remember the Top Gear episode from probably over a decade ago? Jeremy had a Mitsu Starion turbo and put a much bigger turbo on it, and every other lap of their race on dirt had to come in and cool off.
Just like SCCA’s improved touring category for regular cars. Cars are really only designed for 100% output in short periods of time. Not hardcore track days. They won’t work unless...you just add a bigger radiator, breathing, brake ventilation....like showroom prep.
I am rebuilding my system. Using a new case for much better airflow. A Meshify-C using 3x120 intake fans throgh the front screen top to bottom, even one up from the bottom as well. Lots of options.
and where my cpu burns 120 watts at full chat , I’m adding a 250 tdp dark rock 4 air cooler. It’s way more efficient with the airflow/noise ratio than the corsair h115i rgb I run now...which although capable, It makes a hell of a racket when I run full power, so that get a change to a lighter power system...or sold on craigslist (Let me know if in the denver area and want a cool looking cool solution) . The next 2070s I get will have triple fans and a 3 slot depth just for noise abatement. If you don’t care about noise, you dont have to go that serious but I have a home office with 4 people in it now...
Lastly, your case may just be not great for cooling. Your fan solution may also not be ideal. But check out Steve over at Gamers Nexus, as he loves to test case airflow management, tear down and test the cpu cooling methods, and right now, for AIO water stuff, Arctic is the leader, if you go that way. Also recognize that to get capable fans that are also quieter, you will spend some money....ie: $15-25 or more PER FAN. Remember, pressure fans, because you have to pull through filters and grills now, also to push through radiators and past obstructions. Flow fans are the best for moving air out of the case or within. Not much better than Noctua NF-F12 and -A12 series (in particular) fans. Cougars are great as well, in fact better in numbers, but I will verify this week.. also BeQuiet offerings. The rest are equal and not great at pressure or flow without adding much more noise.
There you go. Careful management, not against natural movement of heat flow and pressure dynamics. Consider cable management to help that flow and add some stick on rubber chair leg ends if you need more space underneath to pull in air.
Good luck!
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Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing.
> facw
04/28/2020 at 23:29 |
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Do you have the option to add a fan at the top of the case? Would you be willing to spend $40 on a new CPU cooler? My case has a big fan at the top and I changed the orientation and fan placement of the Evo 212 cooler to draw air from below the cooler up through it and out the top. I’ve been able to run this i7 at over 5 GHz quite stably , and I suspect that the cooling and airflow have a lot to do with that.
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Grindintosecond
> facw
04/28/2020 at 23:37 |
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Wow. Whats the max cooler height for that case? I almost wnat to ask if you can turn the heat sink 90 deg. without bumping the ram, sticking an 80mm on the back to pull while the side fans deliver something fresh? But I see the push/pull feature you are working....but...t he GPU is blocking the exit from the fins.....
Here. Zalman had issues in the past but that was just business. Their products were solid performers and this is one of the oldie and goodies. Whats $25 today. Put it in, and case pressure from side fans might move the heat out...
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facw
> Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing.
04/28/2020 at 23:39 |
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If I really wanted to, there’s room for a slimline 120mm on top of the cooler, but really I’m happier having this passively cooled than I would be with a faster but louder configuration.
I am happy that with my new video card, I have room to mount the heatsink with the blades parallel to the airflow from the case fans, rather than perpendicular (the old card had a cooler that extended into the space “above” the slot, and blocked the CPU cooler in this orientation.
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facw
> Grindintosecond
04/28/2020 at 23:45 |
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It’s low (the PCI-E power connector hits the top of the case) , but I’ve been using big cantilever coolers like this one fanless in it for over a dozen years, it does actually work. Even with the i5, it’s more than enough at stock speeds, there’s just not much headroom (even at 4GHz it gets into the mid-80s C real quickly) . At stock speeds though, its around 60C at full load, which is really fine for a secondary machine.
The cooler that’s in there now is as Scythe Rasets u with the fan removed (full height fan wouldn’t fit, though a slimline one would barely do it, which has been my fallback option if the CPU was hotter than I thought it would be):
In the pre-Sandy Bridge era I used possibly the weirdest named cooler ever, the Scythe Andy Samurai Master (again without the fan):
Longtime Lurker
> JMKarstetter
04/29/2020 at 01:31 |
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I don’t have much cooling problems, when the room temp never goes over 18 *C even folding 24/7. But if I was going to do anything the stock Intel
cooler should probably go, but there’s less options for a 1155 socket ever year
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